Skip to Navigation | Skip to Content
More options
Home

Hospital Association of Southern California

Hospital Association of Southern California
Upper link

LinkedIn

May 6, 2011
  • Read more
Upper link

Twitter

April 5, 2011
  • Read more
Upper link

Facebook

April 5, 2011
  • Read more
Upper link For Anonymous users

Member Login

April 1, 2011
  • Read more
Upper link

Contact
Send your questions or comments to our staff

February 11, 2011

Use this form to send your questions or comments. All fields are required.

  • Read more
Upper link

Calendar

October 23, 2018
  • Read more
Blog entry

Is the end of Medi-Cal fee-for-service contracting in our future? Yes…and no

September 15, 2011

Pursuant to legislation (SB 853) enacted last year, the California Department of Health Care Services (DHCS) is planning to replace the Selective Provider Contracting Program (SPCP) with a case payment method by diagnostic-related group (DRG) for implementation by July 1, 2012.  To that end, in consultation with a workgroup convened by the California Hospital Association, the department is gathering input on the design of a Medicare-like DRG payment method.  The workgroup is scheduled to complete its work in November, 2011, at which point the DHCS will review all recommendations and make final decisions.

Who does it affect?

The new DRG payment method will apply to general acute care hospitals, including out-of-state hospitals and hospitals designated by Medicare as critical access hospitals.  County-owned and operated hospitals, psychiatric hospitals, rehabilitation hospitals (including alcohol and drug rehabilitation facilities) are excluded from the project. 

For the affected hospitals, the DRG payment method will apply to all inpatient fee-for-service (FFS) claims, except for the following, for which FFS payment will continue:

  • Psychiatric stays, regardless of whether they are in a distinct part unit or not
  • Rehabilitation stays, regardless of whether they are in a distinct part unit or not
  • Managed care stays
  • Swing bed stays
  • Other services as may be determined by the DHCS

Whether or not Medicare crossover (dual-eligible) claims will be affected remains to be decided.   

What is or will be the new Medi-Cal DRG?

The DHCS decided to adapt and use the All Patient Refined-Diagnostic-Related Group (APR-DRG) currently used or planned for use in calculating Medicaid payments by the states of Maryland, Montana, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Colorado, North Dakota, South Dakota and South Carolina.  The APR-DRG is licensed by over 20 state and federal agencies and is used by over 1,600 hospitals nationwide.

APR-DRGs were chosen because – unlike the MS-DRG used by Medicare – the algorithm more ably manages cost data related to neonatal, pediatric and obstetric care.

The off-the-shelf version of the APR-DRG is comprised of 314 base DRGs, each containing four levels of severity (i.e., minor, moderate, major or extreme) and, unlike MS-DRGs, does not adjust for complications and comorbidities.  However, the payment rates will depend on decisions not yet made.  The variances under consideration include the following:

  • Inclusion of policy-based adjustments to certain care categories
  • Geographic wage variances to the APR-DRG base rate
  • Type-of-hospital variances to the APR-DRG base rate
  • Inclusion of a transition-to-full-implementation period for the new payment rates

Questions and Considerations

How will the DHCS manage the FFS payment rates for the excluded hospitals and services after the APR-DRG payment system is implemented; will a stripped-down version of the SPCP with the California Medical Assistance Commission negotiating rates with hospitals continue?

The DHCS will consider a number of “policy adjusters” to the payment method it finally adopts.  For example:

  1. How will the existing north/south Medi-Cal rate bais and other (e.g., wage) regional disparities be translated in the development of the APR-DRG base rate?
  2. Should the care and services provided by the state’s children’s hospitals be excluded?
  3. Should the supplemental payment program for private DSH hospitals be folded into the new payment method?
  4. Should adjustments be made for payments to hospitals with teaching programs?  (Should “tiered” rates be included?)

 

Your thoughts?

 

  • Print-friendly
  • ShareThis

Comments

MEDI-CAL DRG BASED PAYMENTS

Submitted by Visitor on September 15, 2011 - 10:41am.
Question: Under current considerations, would a Medi-Cal beneficiary be able to seek services at any hospital, or will there still be hospitals that are contracted for Medi-Cal services where Medi-Cal patients must go to for their non-emergent care?

APR-DRGs

Submitted by Visitor on September 17, 2011 - 9:07am.
Children's hospitals should be excluded from DRGs. These hospitals have been excluded from Medicare DRGs since the inception of the Medicare IPPS. Therefore, they would be severly disadvantaged by a conversion which would essentially require the rework of their Health Information Management departments. Most hospitals have been dealing with DRGs for the last 25 or 30 years and have well established systems already in place to manage such a system. Children's hospitals have no such experience. Additionally, the State has no historical data base to support the rate setting process for these hospitals under a DRG type system. Until such a data base can be established, rate setting will be problematic at best and could easily create additional financial distress in many children's hospital which are already struggling financially.

Big Mistake - Follow the Money and Power

Submitted by Visitor on November 16, 2011 - 4:54pm.
The CMAC program was enacted in the 80's over the DRG because it saved more money. That is a fact statistically proven by the provider's cost (contract versus noncontract versus Medicare, CMAC wins (Annual Reports). This DRG program for Medi-Cal is a sham. Someone is going to make billions on it and it is not the citizens of California. In fact, there currently is no solid proof that the DRG is better, if there is then everyone in California, including Governors, since 1966 has less than a college education and cannot do math, because everyone knows about DRG's and how they work. Think twice on this, follow the money, follow the contracts, the processors, the departments, the power, the lobbyist, CHA, the oversight changes, the senators motivation, the assemblyman's motivation, the new departments, and who benefits. Ask a hospital how much they make in profit with their contract rate and if it was less would they still make a profit. Someone just convinced California to let the tax payers pay more for Medi-Cal beneficiaries, and it's called DRG

Comments

MEDI-CAL DRG BASED PAYMENTS

Submitted by Visitor on September 15, 2011 - 10:41am.
Question: Under current considerations, would a Medi-Cal beneficiary be able to seek services at any hospital, or will there still be hospitals that are contracted for Medi-Cal services where Medi-Cal patients must go to for their non-emergent care?

APR-DRGs

Submitted by Visitor on September 17, 2011 - 9:07am.
Children's hospitals should be excluded from DRGs. These hospitals have been excluded from Medicare DRGs since the inception of the Medicare IPPS. Therefore, they would be severly disadvantaged by a conversion which would essentially require the rework of their Health Information Management departments. Most hospitals have been dealing with DRGs for the last 25 or 30 years and have well established systems already in place to manage such a system. Children's hospitals have no such experience. Additionally, the State has no historical data base to support the rate setting process for these hospitals under a DRG type system. Until such a data base can be established, rate setting will be problematic at best and could easily create additional financial distress in many children's hospital which are already struggling financially.

Big Mistake - Follow the Money and Power

Submitted by Visitor on November 16, 2011 - 4:54pm.
The CMAC program was enacted in the 80's over the DRG because it saved more money. That is a fact statistically proven by the provider's cost (contract versus noncontract versus Medicare, CMAC wins (Annual Reports). This DRG program for Medi-Cal is a sham. Someone is going to make billions on it and it is not the citizens of California. In fact, there currently is no solid proof that the DRG is better, if there is then everyone in California, including Governors, since 1966 has less than a college education and cannot do math, because everyone knows about DRG's and how they work. Think twice on this, follow the money, follow the contracts, the processors, the departments, the power, the lobbyist, CHA, the oversight changes, the senators motivation, the assemblyman's motivation, the new departments, and who benefits. Ask a hospital how much they make in profit with their contract rate and if it was less would they still make a profit. Someone just convinced California to let the tax payers pay more for Medi-Cal beneficiaries, and it's called DRG
  • Home
    • HASCNET
      • Freshservice Helpdesk
      • Style Guide
  • Regions
    • Regional Vice President Area Map
    • Los Angeles County
    • Orange County
    • Inland Empire
    • Santa Barbara / Ventura Counties
    • Area Meetings
  • Education & Events
    • 2022 Annual Meeting
    • 2021 Annual Meeting
    • Annual Meeting Archives
    • careLearning
    • Onsite Nurse Leadership Training
    • Wellness Education Events
    • LEAD Academy Events
    • Programs
      • Past Events
    • Special Events
  • Health Care Topics
    • Advocacy
      • CHPAC
      • Legislative Guidelines
    • Communities Lifting Communities
      A HASC-founded initiative addressing health disparities across the region.
    • Coronavirus Response
      Coronavirus
    • HASC Resource Center
    • Emergency & Public Health
    • Finance
    • Hospital Security & Public Safety
      • Drill Resources
      • Hospital Emergency Codes
    • Human Resources
    • Operational Improvement
    • Palliative Care
    • PathWays: Healthcare Policy in Action
    • Patient Access Services
    • Quality & Patient Safety
      • Person-Centered Care Initiative & Final Report
      • Safe Opioid Prescribing
    • Workforce Development
  • Board & Committees
    • HASC Board Agendas
    • Chair's Report
    • Board / Committee Calendar
    • Nursing Advisory Council
    • Association Committees
    • Regional Committees
  • Services
    • HASC Services
    • Logistics Victory Los Angeles (LoVLA)
      LoVLA
    • Strategic Partners
    • SALARITY
    • Endorsed Business Partners
    • LEAD Academy Programs for Outside Organizations
    • ReddiNet Emergency Medical Communications
    • California Hospital Share
  • Blog
  • News
    • Association News
    • Briefs
      • Focus
    • Health Care Headlines
    • Hospital Communication Tools
  • About
    • Board of Directors
    • Leadership Team
    • History of HASC
      • HASC at 90
    • Membership
      • Associate Membership
        • Associate Provider Membership
        • Associate Corporate Membership
      • Member Hospitals & Systems
      • Member Value Report
    • Sponsorship Opportunities
      • Strategic Partners
      • Annual Events
    • National Health Foundation
    • Press Room
      • Press Releases
    • Contact Us
Back
This item appears in:
  • Medicare, Medicaid & the Uninsured
Blog entry
September 15, 2011
Footer link

© 2021 Hospital Association of Southern California

April 7, 2011
  • Read more
Footer link

Contact Us

March 15, 2011
  • Read more
Footer link

Privacy Policy

March 15, 2011

Information Sharing and Disclosure

HASC will not sell or rent your personally identifiable information to anyone.

HASC may send personally identifiable information about you to other companies or people only when:

  • Read more
Footer link

Website feedback
How are we doing?

October 14, 2010
  • Read more

Log in

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

Commands

  • Support portal
  • Log in